|
Post by mikejk on Apr 22, 2016 14:05:44 GMT -5
Can someone give me a cliffnotes version of the change? Sorry, just a little confused and want to understand what the change is that some are saying they are going to leave because of. If it is the realignment, what I don't get, why change? We use real teams and real players, so why not keep the divisions, etc. like real life? Can someone tell me what is so broken now that realigning the divisions will supposedly fix? Like Billy (wdoupis), I know I am new here, but I have ran another league, set very similar to this one and am curious what the guys at the top feel is so broken that a realignment every few seasons will fix? Me personally, I don't mind a realignment if it is a one time thing, then they stay. But divisions are about building a rivalry and working your butt off to figure out how to get to the top of your division. If you are going to change that, basically every 3 seasons, to me, that does not interest me at all either. There is no current rivalries and in online leagues there isnt a "hatred" that youd see in real life like Red Sox/Yankees, Cubs/Cardinals. With realignment of the divisions, perennial playoff teams will be facing one another 19 times in a season. Thats how I can see rivalries being created. Financials are broken and people threatend to quit if changes were made. I had the idea to expand and that "wasnt realistic" even though MLB has started hinting at it from time to time. The thing is Anthony a lot of us(including Sam who referenced it in why he left) enjoyed battling the same teams and GMs for playoff spots every year. I was looking forward to catching or at least competing with the Sox and Jays in one or two years. I'm sorry if this offends you, but just because it's your idea doesn't mean it's the best one. The majority disagreed with you, take what you want from that. Also, as someone else said a lot of us play this game for the simulation aspect, it may be 2025 in the game with 2016 far in the rear view mirror, but it is still 2016 in real life.
|
|
|
Post by mikejk on Apr 22, 2016 14:07:30 GMT -5
Were 13 seasons into SBL.. I dont understand why we need to stay with an outdated MLB Model. Were not major league baseball. We dont have travel restrictions, we dont have a players association. So why not try and change it up to create parity and help balance the league out?? Im in a lose lose situation. If we touch financials to get rid of these extremely team friendly contracts, people quit. We try and adjust divisions to create some parity, people quit. Im trying to do whats best for the overall health of the league. I'm glad all of you think nothing is wrong but im sorry MULTIPLE teams winning divisions by 13+ games, there is no competitiveness. 1/3 of the league trying to compete while the rest is in rebuild mode. Thats not good for the league at all! So why cant we try something different because status quo, just doesnt work in fixing our issues. Anthony I think there are off telling statements in that post- Were not Major League Baseball- The realism is what attracts many of us to OOTP online leagues in the first place. And within the OOTP community there are many choices as far the different types of leagues that we can choose to play in. Everyone here choose a league that formatted the same as MLB when we chose to join the SBL. If we were looking for something different we would have chosen a different league. I'm glad all of think nothing is wrong - I lot of us (the majority) don't believe we have dire issues and are enjoying the game just as it is. Sometimes there are season's where there not any tight pennant races. Also the Braves and Reds proved that new teams are emerging and are able to make the playoffs. Just because we had back to back LA series doesn't mean we are destined for that the next 10 years. I believe if we would play out another year under the existing rules we would see teams like Oakland and Pittsburgh and probably a few others I haven't noticed step up to contention. The bottom line is- had we not made these changes we would not be losing Good Active GMs Exactly.
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Apr 22, 2016 14:12:06 GMT -5
If you're leaving, we're sad to see you go certainly but let me address a few complaints. You went against the poll!Not really. 11 people voted to keep it the same, 11 people voted for us to do something. This complaint has no weight with me. Also, it was stated multiple times the poll was informal. We, as commissioners who put in the most time to make sure this league runs, ultimately get to make the decisions about what we think is best for the league. I don't particularly care that some of you felt 'disenfranchised' by making a decision you voted against. It sounds crass but a couple of the loudest GMs don't determine what we do with the league. You're devaluing my victories by putting me into a tougher division!This argument is entirely self-serving. All this is saying to me is, "I'm upset that I won't be able to keep winning against my weak division each season." If anything it pushes teams to continue to try and get better. It eliminates rivalries!Learn to hate every team like I do and you'll be fine. Also, using a multi-year average makes sure you don't move from your division very frequently. Also, most of the traditional divisions don't really make sense in a video game. It's not like real life!True, this is honestly the only legitimate argument I've heard and one that we understood when we introduced this change. However, it's less relevant to me for a league that has seen almost all real-life players retire or be within a few years of retirement in the year 2025. If you want to play a traditional baseball league with real players, join a new OOTP17 league with real players in the 16 season. Weak teams will make the playoffs and probably still lose against the powerhouses!Why do you care if a weak team makes it? If consider your team as a good team you'll still likely beat them, but is it not more interesting to see an upstart team like the Indians magically defeat one of the powerhouses in the playoffs? (Ok I doubt Cleveland would do it, but just an example). That would incredibly exciting to me and absolutely for a GM of those teams who have never had a shot due to severe imbalances for many seasons and many more to come. For christ sakes we had back to back world series that were 100% identical and basically only the WC teams change season to season. That's the most boring playoff situation I can think of. Also, it'll help get our budgets back on track. Those weak teams who get pounded season after season and see their budgetes slashed into nothingness will start to have more normal records and see their budgets normalize. Likewise, the really good teams will start to see their budgets normalize back down when they arent winning 110 games a season. You'll lose a lot of GMs!
Okay, thanks for the information. If you stay, you're awesome and we see it as a sign of support for our decisions to make the league more fair and exciting for everyone, if you decide you need to leave that's fine, thank you for being part of the league. Also, let Jay Cutler help you understand I feel about some of these complaints:
|
|
|
Post by macmckenzie on Apr 22, 2016 14:23:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry Thomas if some of us care enough about this league to fight for it.
Your above post is incredibly arrogant
And do you feel that is appropriate for the Co-Commissioner of the league to post he DOOOON'T CARE what the members of his league thinks?
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Apr 22, 2016 14:25:35 GMT -5
We are both just sick of everyone complaining and threatening to quit over everything. Just quit.
|
|
|
Post by macmckenzie on Apr 22, 2016 14:33:10 GMT -5
We are both just sick of everyone complaining and threatening to quit over everything. Just quit. They would be the easy way out , but I have invested a lot of time and effort into this league and love what we had here in the SBL. Thats is why I have been one of the most active posters here, I post team updates in almost every sim thread. I never miss an export and respond to every trade offer within hours. How many other GMs try as hard as I do? So I am sorry if you I am angry because I feel like something I really care about has been ripped away, and I don't appreciate you telling me just to quit. This league is just as much mine as it is yours. And haven't we lost enough GMs today?
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Apr 22, 2016 14:35:25 GMT -5
We are both just sick of everyone complaining and threatening to quit over everything. Just quit. They would be the easy way out , but I have invested a lot of time and effort into this league and love what we had here in the SBL. Thats is why I have been one of the most active posters here, I post team updates in almost every sim thread. I never miss an export and respond to every trade offer within hours. How many other GMs try as hard as I do? So I am sorry if you I am angry because I feel like something I really care about has been ripped away, and I don't appreciate you telling me just to quit. This league is just as much mine as it is yours. And haven't we lost enough GMs today? I think we've lost...4? out of 28ish? I think we'll survive. I mean you can continue to complain but we've made our decision on the matter and won't be changing it however loud a couple of GMs are, hence Jay Cutler.
|
|
|
Post by Anthony_TwinsGM on Apr 22, 2016 14:40:58 GMT -5
We are both just sick of everyone complaining and threatening to quit over everything. Just quit. They would be the easy way out , but I have invested a lot of time and effort into this league and love what we had here in the SBL. Thats is why I have been one of the most active posters here, I post team updates in almost every sim thread. I never miss an export and respond to every trade offer within hours. How many other GMs try as hard as I do? So I am sorry if you I am angry because I feel like something I really care about has been ripped away, and I don't appreciate you telling me just to quit. This league is just as much mine as it is yours. And haven't we lost enough GMs today? Mac, I do appreciate all of that. Im glad that youre passionate about the league but your first post when the realingment was mentioned involved you complaining about being in the top division with the Dodgers. Instead of going in with an open mind and realizing that it could really help balance us out, create parity and have some playoff race excitement. Something that hasnt been around SBL for a while. Seeing equal teams battling it out for a season has me really excited and I know when we get going, some of those on the fence will agree. (maybe reluctantly) Were just tired of everybody threatning to quit. I never wanted to lose anyone but we can't make everyone happy and we really are doing our best to try and make the league better so that we can continue for another 13+ seasons.
|
|
|
Post by Phillies_GM_Fin on Apr 22, 2016 14:47:11 GMT -5
The saying true character is revealed when faced with adversity applies to this thread.
If you are competitive, love simulation baseball (notice, i didn't call it reality baseball), agree playing against artificial intelligence is not the answer, then why exactly does anyone NOT like the new realignment?
Does anyone really remember who finished second, third, fourth that time you won the Championship? Who really cares who is in the division? The players change every year, anyway. So why exactly is there such an affinity to keep divisions stagnant and dull?
I'm in this to win this. I am competitive. I LOVE that the Commissioners are trying to give us a great league with great competition that we can escape real life with for a few moments of our day, week, month, year.
No one wins when you try to please the entire group. Sorry, but there will always be dissenters. So, i absolutely applaud the move by our leaders to take us in a new, uncharted water to experience different. Different can be awesome, if you allow your mind not to get in the way. Embrace it. Look for ways to make it work. Looking for ways to make it wrong is a waste of energy and time.
The SBL is about to get AWESOME.
IMHO.
|
|
|
Post by macmckenzie on Apr 22, 2016 14:52:28 GMT -5
They would be the easy way out , but I have invested a lot of time and effort into this league and love what we had here in the SBL. Thats is why I have been one of the most active posters here, I post team updates in almost every sim thread. I never miss an export and respond to every trade offer within hours. How many other GMs try as hard as I do? So I am sorry if you I am angry because I feel like something I really care about has been ripped away, and I don't appreciate you telling me just to quit. This league is just as much mine as it is yours. And haven't we lost enough GMs today? Mac, I do appreciate all of that. Im glad that youre passionate about the league but your first post when the realingment was mentioned involved you complaining about being in the top division with the Dodgers. Instead of going in with an open mind and realizing that it could really help balance us out, create parity and have some playoff race excitement. Something that hasnt been around SBL for a while. Seeing equal teams battling it out for a season has me really excited and I know when we get going, some of those on the fence will agree. (maybe reluctantly) Were just tired of everybody threatning to quit. I never wanted to lose anyone but we can't make everyone happy and we really are doing our best to try and make the league better so that we can continue for another 13+ seasons. Anthony let's be honest- I don't think any of us on either side have an open mind at this point.
|
|
|
Post by dodgersgm on Apr 22, 2016 16:30:56 GMT -5
Wait- im confused, or maybe just getting mixed signals.
Is there, or isn't there, going to be realignment after EVERY season? That is what I understood, and what I think makes sense.
Can some one tell me if this is not the case? I've seen different comments that might suggest otherwise.
Thanks
|
|
|
Post by mikejk on Apr 22, 2016 16:33:47 GMT -5
Wait- im confused, or maybe just getting mixed signals. Is there, or isn't there, going to be realignment after EVERY season? That is what I understood, and what I think makes sense. Can some one tell me if this is not the case? I've seen different comments that might suggest otherwise. Thanks I believe that is the case, it's just that not only one seasons record will be taken into account when determining the divisions. I think it should be 4 seasons, currently it is 2.
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Apr 22, 2016 17:17:37 GMT -5
Wait- im confused, or maybe just getting mixed signals. Is there, or isn't there, going to be realignment after EVERY season? That is what I understood, and what I think makes sense. Can some one tell me if this is not the case? I've seen different comments that might suggest otherwise. Thanks There is a realignment after every season. Right now we have it at 2 years but it's likely we will do 3 years.
|
|
|
Post by Anthony_TwinsGM on Apr 22, 2016 17:20:43 GMT -5
Yes. Divisions will realign every season and after some consideration we will be using a 3 year win average to determine any changes.
|
|
|
Post by Anthony_TwinsGM on Apr 22, 2016 17:22:36 GMT -5
I would like to hear some suggestions for division names. Id like to not use "division 1/2/3" but can if we need too.. Initially "Gold/Silver/Bronze" came to mind but maybe using player names divisions?
|
|